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Section sizes

Section size for George Mallory (48 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	4,871	4,871
Early life and teaching career	35	20,038
Childhood	2,356	5,626
1896–1905: Glengorse and Winchester College	3,270	3,270
1905–09: Magdalene College, Cambridge	9,282	9,282
1909–10: Interim	1,754	1,754
1910–14: Charterhouse School	3,341	3,341
Climbing in Europe	24	17,907
The Alps	6,927	6,927
Scotland	3,281	3,281
Wales	3,607	3,607
England	4,068	4,068
Marriage and the First World War	8,763	8,763
The lure of Everest	4,492	4,492
Everest expeditions	24	63,363
1921 British Mount Everest reconnaissance expedition	5,861	5,861
Lectures, writing, and preparation for the 1922 expedition	1,726	1,726
1922 British Mount Everest expedition	2,601	15,468
First summit attempt, Mallory, Somervell, Norton, and Morshead	8,534	8,534
Second summit attempt, Finch and Bruce	1,603	1,603
Third summit attempt, Mallory, Somervell, Crawford and the North Col avalanche	2,730	2,730
Announcement of a third expedition, lectures and writing	2,646	2,646
North America lecture tour and writing	5,471	5,471
Cambridge lecturer and Olympic medal	6,750	6,750
1924 British Mount Everest expedition	2,908	25,417
Mallory and Bruce's attempt	3,874	3,874
Mallory and Irvine's last climb	15,255	15,255
Message from the King and memorial service at St Paul's Cathedral	3,380	3,380
Lost on Everest for 75 years	33	38,824
Discovery of the ice axe, 1933	5,076	5,076
Smythe's sighting, 1936	2,905	2,905
Holzel, Everest historian	7,554	7,554
1986 Mount Everest North Face Research Expedition	7,080	7,080
1999 Mallory and Irvine Research Expedition	12,457	12,457
Further expeditions	3,719	3,719
Timeline	2,320	2,320
Theories	364	11,176
"Second Step"	6,142	6,142
Western disturbance	4,670	4,670
Legacy	16,511	16,511
See also	149	149
Footnotes	40	40
References	33	45,905
Bibliography	19	45,872
Books	19,477	19,477
Journals	25,660	25,660
Magazines	716	716
External links	2,247	2,247
Total	236,606	236,606

George Mallory first to summit Everest

There is no doubt that Mallory summited Everest. He shot off a flare rocket from the top of the summit witnessed by two men who had a telescope on the summit . That was the victory of the climb rocket he took with him. The men were later told what they saw was a snow reflection and not to officially report it.

The question is what is considered a successful summit. IF you reach the top and then die is that a successful summit? Many people believe a successful summit. Is to climb to the top of a mountain and then return to the bottom alive. Medical doctors have said if both tried to climb and reach the summit it would have been a 25% chance of making it.IF Mallory took all the O2 and made a single suicide climb to the top his odds were 50%. In either case both died on top of the mountain.

Most professional mountain climbers believe that Mallory reached the summit and then later died on his way down. The lack of oxygen and extreme cold were factors in his death.

LGBT people from England

Why is this under the category LGBT people from England? No supported within text. --DBBell (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBBell He was at least bisexual, yes disappointing it merely says he was "friends with" a bunch of Bloomsbury Group gays. 2A01:4B00:BE01:6600:86C7:B7C7:11DB:793C (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Acid

I search up has anyone checked her from Mount Everest and this is what came up with though 207.230.69.105 (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Edmund Hillary Opinion on the summit question.

IN private conversations Hillary said it is 50/50 George Mallory reached the top. Unless a camera is found it cant be verified either way. As for summiting Mount Everest i was the first to reach the top. My climb is verified by many sources. And i survived to reach the base of the mountain after the climb to the top. IF Mallory reached the top and died on the way down its a shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:A022:2D41:E539:5B8E:74F2:2BAE (talk) 05:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Birkenhead

The location of Birkenhead in Cheshire only needs to be mentioned once. Similarly the note "Please do not alter this historically correct information. Birkenhead is now part of the Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, but it was part of Cheshire until 1974. All the dates and information about Birkenhead in this article refer to pre-1974" does not need to be repeated each time Birkenhead is mentioned (if at all).

I hope we can agree that is the correct drill. Thank you. Nedrutland (talk) 09:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I invite @Zephronion: to explain why the Birkenhead note is necessary, and, if it is necessary once, why it needs to be repeated. I believe it was only you that recently added "Birkenhead, Merseyside"; if there had been a history of editors repeatedly adding Merseyside, the need for the note would be clearer. Nedrutland (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Length

This article is just extremely long. There are numerous parts with excessive citations, and a lot of the material here doesn't seem to precisely convey what Mallory was actually well-known for. What should be cut? Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 14:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Zephronion Would you kindly like to explain how this article, which before the cuts, was longer than the United States article? It still has hundreds more citations than the United States article. It is patently obvious that there is a lot of undue weight and trivial information. As per WP:LENGTH, we should strongly consider removing material. Before your additions, this article was at around ~70,000 bytes, which was far more manageable.

Keep in mind that the United States article was considered too long...and this article is even longer.

The problems are evident. For instance:

Trained at the camp with the Royal Artillery's new generation of 60-pounder heavy guns, which had a maximum firing range of about 12,300 yd (11,247 m). The details on the guns just aren't crucial information on an article about this subject.
During his second year at Magdalene, Mallory made several new friends outside the college. This is just plain trivia.
Trip to Ireland Section. This whole section boils down to speculation and subject matter not really commonly associated with Mallory. You could probably just put down "Mallory supported the Irish struggle for independence." And that would be perfectly fine. (Probably).
On 1 July 1916, the Battle of the Somme began with British and French infantries attacking the Germans along the Somme. The 40th Siege Battery's primary duty was to fire a lifting barrage at the opposing force. We could condense the entirety of his military career, frankly.
Christiana Ruth Turner (1891–1942) was the second daughter of prosperous architect Hugh Thackeray Turner (1853–1937) and Mary Elizabeth Turner (née Powell; 1854–1907)... The entire section devoted to Ruth is just unnecessary. We could just say they were married?

These are just a few examples. You could cut the article in half and you'd still be able to find material to toss away. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 17:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. This article is a bit of a mess. Also there are huge swathes of material written by authors where he or she is citing their own book rather than secondary sources, i.e. self promotion/COI. I thought that goes against Wikipedia rules? 31.94.19.13 (talk) 08:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which parts in particular? Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 17:20, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to almost all the subheadings under the "Lost on Everest for 75 years". Holzel's section seems to rely entirely on his own book, for example. I am new here so don't know how to start the 'citation needed' ball rolling. 31.94.19.13 (talk) 09:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's the quickest route to the summit of Wikipedia: a Featured Article star?

What does it need to get to Camp Good Article? Then we can stop off at peer review, before the final ascent to Featured Article. Much of the article is a list of facts about actions, he took a boat here, went up this mountain on this day, became a school teacher in this year. There's only bits of insight into his character, even tho he had an interesting character, e.g. if you read his letters to his wife. I'm listening to 'Into the Silence' which should give ideas. What more do we need to add and take away to get to Featured? Tom Crean (explorer) is perhaps the closest Featured Article? As it looks like it's the only one an explorer, even though he's less written about. Grateful for interesting observations from reliable sources on Mallory's character and assessments of him we can add! Tom B (talk) 09:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think further citations in the opening of the article are required, compare this page to Tenzing_Norgay which has 5 in the first paragraph alone, while this article fits only 1 in the first four paragraphs. We find only an equivalent density of references once reaching 'Early Life'.

We can do better than this!

I am happy to try to correct misinformation or remove uncited 'facts' which are stated with no citation, but any help is appreciated! JC aka JtheKid15^{(Communications)} 09:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jthekid15, MOS:CITELEAD explains that many articles choose not to have citations in the lead if the claims are cited in the body of the article. This is to reduce redundancy and increase readability. The citations in the body of this article appear very thorough, so there is no need necessarily to change the lead. Godtres (talk) 14:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Units of length

The article is using feet as a primary unit of length throughout the article, missing SI units entirely on multiple occasion. I suggest editing the entire article to have metres as the primary unit of length, with feet in parentheses, to comply with Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers/Units. I'll do it, unless someone has issue with that? Icylittlething (talk) 13:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation in Infobox

Someone has added "lecturer" to the infobox as another occupation, bringing the total up to 4. If we want to list everything that could be considered Mallory's occupation, we should also add "soldier". I would advocate, however, for deleting most of the occupations, leaving just "mountaineer", rather than a comprehensive list. Let me know your thoughts. Godtres (talk) 07:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage Date in Infobox

Template:Marriage states that that the "date ended" category should say the "date the marriage was dissolved or the spouse of the article's subject died." George and Ruth's marriage ended in 1924 when George died. Given that the marriage was not dissolved and did not end because of the death of Ruth (the spouse of the article's subject), there is no need for a marriage end date in the infobox. Adding an end date falsely suggests that either Ruth died or the pair were divorced before George died. Please let me know if you still disagree with leaving the field blank. Godtres (talk) 14:16, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]