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Genre

I'm adding Art Rock as a genre since Mezzanine is a more progressive album with alot of tension in the soundscapes.Revan ltrl 12:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing that as a genre since Mezzanine is not a rock album, nor are its creators rock artists. .Absolution. 02:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. They are rock.Revan ltrl (talk) 19:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mezzanine (album)

Alanis Morissette? She wasn't a guest vocalist in Mezzanine. I am removing her.

The track list in the spanish page is different (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzanine) Was this album released in different versions? --212.121.229.186 (talk) 06:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC) Pol[reply]

Internet Album

Although I usually hang around the IDM related pages, my GF has recently got me interested in Massive Attack. I added two albums that have since been released on the internet before commercial release, the previous edit stating that Massive Attack were the only ones to do it. --Insomniak 06:33, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Personel

Massive Attack in not a person, I am removing it.

Personnel can mean more than one person. I have placed it back. Genxima (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inertia Creeps

Wasn't "Inertia Creeps" used in a Victoria's Secret advertising campaign in 2001 or 2002? CFBSolon 10:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but I know it wasn't the song playing in Neo's headphones at the beginning of The Matrix, as the article incorrectly states. That song was, in fact, "Dissolved Girl." Correction in T minus twenty. .Absolution. 02:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Jay

Is the Sara Jay that sang on "Dissolved Girl" the same as the pornstar?--Azior 13:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-> Of course not. 79.201.17.83 (talk) 09:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Her name is Sarah Jay Hawley: https://sarahjayhawley.com -- Who is like God? (talk) 23:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Professional Reviews

It's been over a year since anyone has commented on this page... Just for those who may be reading, I've expanded on the Reviews section under the Album "box". This is a very good album, not only in my opinion, but universally, and it should at least be at a FA (featured article) level. Genxima (talk) 16:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reception, Track Listing

I've done that as well. Genxima (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed a sentence about one of the covers of "Teardrop", as this subject is dealt with more thoroughly and more properly under the Wikipedia "Teardrop" entry. Ramseyman (talk) 05:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Teardrop

The track Teardrop in its instrumental version is used in the TV Series House M.D in the US version intro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.144.77 (talk) 13:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Manic Street Preachers

Did Manic Street Preachers record their version of Inertia Creeps several years before 1998? Reading the article it seems to be in this way, but the voice of Manic Street Preachers version is not Edwards'; it's the same voice of the album version, I suppose. I think Manics recorded all the instruments but not the voice, so maybe they did so even after Edwards' disappearance (February 1995). In fact I don't think Manics covered the song three (or more) years before it was published on the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.37.10.40 (talk) 23:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tracks using samples

The article says "[...] the majority of the songs consists of one or more samples [...]", but according to the track listing only 5 out of 11 tracks use samples. ✎ HannesP · talk 15:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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Start class:

Y A reasonably complete infobox
Y A lead section giving an overview of the album
Y A track listing
Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient)
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year

C class:

Y All the start class criteria
Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art
Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section)
N A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians.

B class:

N All the C class criteria
Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources.
Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS

Lacks songwriting credits for a real C-class and some sections have no citations at all. Good job overall though! Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Album cover insect misidentified

The insect on the album cover is not any kind of stag beetle but rather a tiger beetle in the genus Manticora. Titanopteran (talk) 06:47, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide a source to support this claim? The current source states that it's a stag beetle. snapsnap ^(talk) 16:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticora_(beetle)

Just look at the album cover and any picture of a manticora beetle. The source misidentifies it Titanopteran (talk) 03:23, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you must provide a reliable, third-party source that explicitly supports your claim; see WP:RS and WP:V. Identifying the insect on the cover based solely on one's personal observation is original research. snapsnap ^(talk) 13:54, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"On the Biology of Manticora Fabricius (Coleoptera: Carabidae: Cicindelinae), With a Description of the Larva and Taxonomic Notes"

https://brill.com/view/journals/tve/143/1-2/article-p71_4.xml Titanopteran (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I meant a source that explicitly states that the insect on the album cover is a Manticora beetle. The article you provided makes no mention of Mezzanine or Massive Attack. snapsnap ^(talk) 00:37, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here is one

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/lethrus/insect-cover-art-and-identification-guide-coleoptera-beetles/ Titanopteran (talk) 02:46, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rate Your Music is user-generated and therefore an unacceptable source, per WP:USERG and WP:RYM. Please review Wikipedia guidelines, especially WP:RS and WP:V. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:07, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This page however was compiled manually, and the animals depicted in the albums manually identified Titanopteran (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the point. Rate Your Music is considered unreliable (see here) since it has no editorial oversight and basically anyone can go on there and claim to be an expert in any field. All information on Wikipedia must be verified by reliable, third-party sources, such as newspapers, magazines and professional websites with editorial oversight. Again, please review the guidelines that I've been linking to you. snapsnap ^(talk) 04:10, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://data.nhm.ac.uk/dataset/collection-specimens/resource/05ff2255-c38a-40c9-b657-4ccb55ab2feb/record/5467356

This is the specimen the picture comes from Titanopteran (talk) 04:41, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.bilibili.com/opus/941335403973050368?plat_id=5&share_from=article&share_medium=android_i&share_plat=android&share_session_id=6572e98a-3f1c-4b44-b27a-cded805256ac&share_source=COPY&share_tag=s_i&timestamp=1740027049&unique_k=y9UnDGN

Additionally, here is an identification key for the whole genus.

"2. (1) The chisel teeth on the outer side of the left upper jaw are obviously smaller than those on the inner side ... Rough Tiger 𝑴. 𝒔𝒄𝒂𝒃𝒓𝒂 Species Group "

"2. (1) The back of the elytra is densely covered with protruding tubercles; the lateral margins are only slightly serrated and almost not protruding . The right upper jaw is wider, especially the middle part of the last segment is obviously protruding inward . The chisel teeth on the outer side of the left upper jaw are obviously shorter than those on the inner side . The tarsus of the six limbs are mostly covered with dark brown hairs... 3 - Rough tiger armor 𝑴. 𝒔𝒄𝒂𝒃𝒓𝒂 "

"Notes: One of the most widespread species in the genus, with very distinct population differences. Considered the second largest tiger beetle as a whole. The only species in the genus with a prominent inward bulge on the dorsal part of the middle part of the distal right maxillary segment in males, and with the chisel teeth on the outer side of the left maxillary being significantly shorter than those on the inner side . The only species in the group with prominent tubercles on the dorsal surface of the elytra ; the elytra are narrower than those of the other two species, and the serrations on the lateral margins are less pronounced and less prominent . The head is very large, and may be the species with the largest ratio of head width to total length in the males of the genus. It was long mistaken for a junior synonym of the broad-winged tiger beetle until Maresh et al. [9] restored its validity in 2002. The widespread and abundant subspecies Hercules is still commonly mistaken for the broad-winged tiger beetle."

The description of the species Manticora scabra matches the picture Titanopteran (talk) 05:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neither source mentions Mezzanine, though. As I said before, the source must explicitly mention the album. If the source makes no mention of the album, then it's useless. Please, review the following Wikipedia guidelines: WP:RS, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:SYNTH. snapsnap ^(talk) 05:50, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]